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More government money to fund the ever elusive doomsday AI.

What does this question mean? Of course they are state-of-the-art. After all, they are the most recent and most advanced models out of Anthropic. If/when they release a new version of their models, Mythos/Fable will cease to be state-of-the-art, as the new ones become it.

It means Mythos/Fable was the strongest model globally, not just the newest model from a company.

Yeah if the analogy is LLMs are doomsday devices it's hard to say mythos wasn't the best. That was my point

Arguably, it was Anthropic's decision to abide by their Government's orders. They could have not done so, but that would likely have consequences they weren't willing to face.

I choose to follow the law, but it’s an obligation not a decision. Framing it like this just misses the big picture entirely. A few words from a tech CEO is all it takes for this government to take extreme measures like this.

Viewing it as an obligation means you are weak. There are consequences to disobeying the law - a successful person will view them through the lens of cost-benefit analysis, not of dogma.

Good luck with that. I hope you’re successful in your law breaking endeavours with your highly informed cost benefit analyses.

I've broken many laws. Have you not? Never crossed at a red light with no cars in sight?

At the end of the day it's not really a decision at all, the government has a lot of men with guns, Anthropic has (presumably) low numbers to zero of men with guns.

You don't really have a choice if the government decides to play hardball


There are other things that can happen. For example, Anthropic could secretly transfer a copy of the model to a Chinese company in exchange for a large sum of yuan at a Chinese bank. Both parts of the transaction would be invisible to US authorities. I don't think this is a likely occurrence but if you think it's impossible then you need to think outside the box more.

Fair point, but doing that from inside the US under the direct view of multiple three letter agencies would be extremely risky to put it mildy

If it's lucrative but risky, it will happen.

Yeah if they legalised cannabis use for teenagers that's a failure of how it was regulated - not of the act of legalising it.

Thank you, that's also one of my peeves.

Interestingly, the people who try to separate themselves from "the government" also seem to be the kind of people who want to "spread our model of democracy to the rest of the world".

How they can even reconcile being such a great democracy that the world needs to ~copy~ be force-fed with having an adversary government I don't know. The cognitive dissonance is so great that it's hard to fathom.


Why wouldn't they? It keeps strengthening their position. It's an incredible source of soft power if they're seen as the place to look for good AI, and what's more, you can self-host it or hire a local provider if you're worried about data sovereignty.

I guess it's a possibility, but I don't have that kind of expectations from major world powers. It's not like the CCP is a beacon of human rights either.

‘Why wouldn’t anyone give away frontier AI?’ sounds like ‘why wouldn’t anyone give away uranium enrichment?’ i.e. I can’t comprehend the state of mind and the world model of anyone asking a question like that, which is apparently quite a few folks here on HN!

> Why wouldn’t anyone give away frontier AI?

They already are, to an extent. If we believe Amodei's nutjob take that Mythos/Fable are the end of the world in the wrong hands, we should have an open source Chinese model within 6-12 months that's already end-of-world level, so the cat is going to be way out of the bag long before the US labs go out of business.


> should have an open source Chinese model within 6-12 months that's already end-of-world level

that's the exact thing I'm talking about. I don't see why is half the people around here so sure that China will continue to release anything at all. they are releasing non-frontier models on a 6-month lag, yes, but the reasons why to release them are overshadowed by reasons to not do that for mythos-class models. IOW why would they give away a dual use technology just like that?


> the reasons why to release them are overshadowed by reasons to not do that for mythos-class models

Why? What are those reasons? How come they don't already exist for DeepSeek V4 or GLM-5.2?

By the way, I'm not going to entertain the "mythos-class" phrasing because I really don't think it's important. I don't believe Anthropic's take on it being the threshold towards the end of the world that their marketing insists it is.


DeepSeek v4 and GLM 5.2 are not Mythos-class, the capability uplift as measured is continuous but consequences are step functions.

I didn't say they are. I did say I don't like the phrasing "Mythos-class" because it puts Mythos on a level I don't think it is.

It is on a level above everything else for now, that’s enough to determine it’s quite literally in its own class. Anecdotally it is a good model, sir.

It doesn't seem to be on a level above everything else, no. It seems to be a step increase in some areas and maybe even a decrease in others.

Anectodally, DeepSeek V4 is a very good model as well, sir. I'm not calling anything V4-class because of that.


I’ve been piloting frontier LLMs for as long as anyone outside of the labs and I just disagree. It is a tier above for some tasks (especially in my usage) and not a downgrade on anything I tried it on. This is enough for me to rank it higher; ymmv.

Fair enough!

I've only briefly tried it and it did seem quite capable for what I was doing, but not that much better than the Chinese models I've been mostly using.

In any case, this [0] seems to paint a more reasonable picture than "it's much better than anything else at everything".

[0] https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-claude-mythos...


Have you used it? It’s clearly a class above, I had it solve so many things in 3 days, it was ridiculous

Badly

> If the just wanted a (sorta-kinda) open-source browser filled with all the latest hype features they would've simply used Chromium.

I don't mind features existing, especially if I can switch them off if I don't want them. I definitely mind Chrom(ium|e).

I don't see how the existence of the Firefox AI sidebar gives Google effective control over web specs.


It's not 2.7. It's 2.7-Code, and it's 2.6 token-optimised for coding.

https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k2-7-code-quickstar...


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