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Woah there, gotta watch that waistline! :)

It’s fairly easy to build your own kernel packages from vanilla sources in Debian. I’m running the latest 7.0.x within a few hours of its release. The build takes about 30-45 minutes depending on how much time I spend on skimming the ChangeLog. YMMV.

> The build takes about 30-45 minutes

If you don't actually need all the drivers, you can use "make localmodconfig" to substantially reduce that. My local kernels build in 90 seconds on a 32-thread desktop machine :)

The kernel is a lot more stable than people think: I run the daily linux-next on my Debian stable gaming PC to look for bugs, and I don't find very many.


You're being a bit disingenuous, it builds in 90 seconds because you build it daily and the vast majority of objects are unchanged and cached by ccache.

No, I don't think that's what happening actually.

A stripped down cold build will literally take 90 seconds without caching on modern hardware.

The overwhelming majority of stuff that is being built is drivers, and most of them probably aren't needed for any specific user, so you can disable quite a lot of stuff.

Fwiw a full build of the fedora kernel config takes around 5-10m for my 12core ryzen 3900x, and it's definitely not the fastest CPU around.


No, 90 seconds is the clean build time without ccache.

try to build it with make clean first

It's actually faster than I remembered:

  {0}[calvinow@sousa ~/git/linux] git describe
  v7.1
  {0}[calvinow@sousa ~/git/linux] git clean -dffxq
  {0}[calvinow@sousa ~/git/linux] zcat /proc/config.gz > .config
  {0}[calvinow@sousa ~/git/linux] time make -skj32 tar-pkg
  './System.map' -> 'tar-install/boot/System.map-7.1.0'
  '.config' -> 'tar-install/boot/config-7.1.0'
  './vmlinux' -> 'tar-install/boot/vmlinux-7.1.0'
  'arch/x86/boot/bzImage' -> 'tar-install/boot/vmlinuz-7.1.0'
  
  real    0m56.539s
  user    18m41.863s
  sys     2m8.754s

I did that for a while because of compatibility issues with a newer laptop, it works but generally if there is no reason it's way easier to stay with the provided packages. Compiling weekly due to security patches becomes annoying over time for no real gain other than the version number

> It’s fairly easy to build your own kernel packages from vanilla sources in Debian.

IIRC, Debian has a command called "make-kpkg" which does nearly all the work for you, ending up with a installable package which works identically to the standard Debian kernel packages.


I miss the days when my 486 took about 12 hours to compile a kernel

Or it took >15 minutes to generate PGP 2.x private keys due to entropy generation and prime calculations/tests.

what about your carbon footprint

I build using excess solar from my house. The build host is a small arm64 SBC that doesn’t require cooling in my passively cooled garage.

The resources behind your post likely have a larger carbon footprint.


Turn the shed light off overnight and you’re at net zero

Breaking: Linus is on travel.

Did I miss something about this or is it just another number?


Yeah, it gets boring when the number change doesn't change and try improving everything at once, but the great thing is that freshness improves driven by number fomo and that tightens the improvement loop.

Exciting and risky things are always under flags, so if you really care you just build, configure, and bench your own kernel+system.


- "Anyway, possible slight hiccups in the merge window aside, the news today is 7.1." - "nothing particularly interesting or scary stands out, which is as it should be."

So, a number.


He's just writing about the changes since last week. Not about 7.1 as a whole. No last minute scary things means 7.1 released as planned.

But 7.1 new features can still be exciting.


Surprised nobody will spring for the inflight WiFi for Linus. Has to be some of the best return per dollar that could be spent!

Good thing we are working so hard to automate the kind of work where you sit in the shade at a desk. (/sarcasm)

I think the disconnect between many people hearing "2C of warming" and the overall effects that will have is grossly underestimated. I kinda wish we could talk about how much raw energy that is ... even if we use American units of barrels of oil, or something.


We tried talking about sea level rise and land area inundation, and more severe storms, and amongst many the collective response was to stick their fingers in their ears.

The real conversation we should have is about money talking; a huge amount of assets are facing being stranded by insurers. Insurance doesn't really care about ideology, they care about making money, and so the fact they are losing money to climate change is pretty irrefutable evidence. Though right now politicians are just reframing this as "greedy insurance", which isn't exactly untrue.


> ...the fact they are losing money to climate change is pretty irrefutable evidence.

Insurance prices risk. If risk goes up, so do prices. They will not lose (much) money (or not for long) [1], your insurance will just get a lot more expensive, maybe to the point you can no longer afford it. If the government tries to control prices, then insurers will just exit the market, or the only entrants will be severely under-capitalized, merely providing the veneer of insurance (e.g., because your mortgage lender requires it). This is already happening in Florida and Louisiana [2]. These insurers will simply go bankrupt in the event of a catastrophe, and you will be stuck with the loss.

[1] Technically, in a competitive environment, many insurance companies will operate with a (small) underwriting loss, but they make up the difference by investing the float during the time between when they collect the premiums and when they pay out on claims. They will not operate with an unbounded loss.

[2] https://www.wsj.com/finance/small-insurance-company-hurrican...


How do you price in whole mountsin regions beeing in for repeatet flooding events basically forcing continuous rebuilds and thus having way overpriced houses? How do you price insurrance on objects that shouldnt exist ?

I think interpreting the rejection of broad, impersonal, policy based remediation to climate response is a way or expressing a preference for a more personal response, sharing their homes with climate refugees. Does anyone have something catchier than these?

"Climate denialism: A personal guarantee to host the displaced."

"Denying the crisis? Congratulations, you've just RSVP'd to house the refugees."


Probably cause we bailed out south Jersey and instead of packing up and heading inland Margate boasts homes over 1.5 million dollars

Number of tanks of gas for a Ford F-150 Supercab is the American standard unit.

well shit, my F150 uses 0 tanks of gas, does that complicate things?

It does for your resale value ;)

Maybe it improves it? The truck has depreciated 7K since I bought it brand new, which works out to about 13% over 20 months. Most cars depreciate faster than that, so it seems having 0 tanks helps.

I read the 6 Degrees book and basically didn’t leave the house for about 3 months and stopped looking for client work. My finances took a bit of a device. Thankfully my partner helped me out of it.

So… I don’t know where that leaves us. The moment you’re aware of what’s coming to us, you shut down. It’s not a great response, but that’s a big reason why we (the people) are not talking a lot about the future of climate.

That’s my best guess. It’s a really, really shitty conversation where the few winners are those with lots of money.


> I think the disconnect between many people hearing "2C of warming" and the overall effects that will have is grossly underestimated.

The problem is that the loudest voices in the global discussion are people living in relatively cold-ish Western climates because, well, we are the rich and powerful people. And for many of us (maybe bar the Southern-most part of the US), even 10 °C increase of yearly average temperatures or even peak temperatures would still be perfectly fine.

The fact that 2 °C is probably enough to render the space of potentially billions of people uninhabitable is completely outside of the experienced reality in Western countries, we cannot relate from our lived reality to theirs.

And that kind of disconnect is prevalent among any kind of discourse in humanity. The fact that we can even do so, that right here on this website we have people worth billions of dollars (e.g. sama is Sam Altman!) debating with people that barely scrape by on their national poverty level, is a wonder that would have been unimaginable 200 years ago. Human biology, human society hasn't evolved mechanisms to keep up with our technological progress, and it breaks apart everywhere.


> The fact that 2 °C is probably enough to render the space of potentially billions of people uninhabitable is completely outside of the experienced reality in Western countries, we cannot relate from our lived reality to theirs.

Surely they'll reconsider once potentially billions of climate refugees flood countries up north.

Also I think the impact of weather extremes is underestimated. You can reinforce buildings against stronger winds. You can move people into climate-controlled buildings. Desalinate seawater when the rains stop.

But that's impossible for the bulk of agriculture. Now imagine extreme winds, droughts and/or wildfires decimate 1 or more staple crops - worldwide, in a single season. Economic chaos, wars & famine will ensue.

Compound effects are a thing. And there's an ever-growing list of candidates.

>3°C global warming is nuclear-WW3 level.


10 degrees increase would collapse any industry, it would turn Norway into Italy.

Do you drive to Norway for your beach holiday?


>And for many of us (maybe bar the Southern-most part of the US)

Actually look at median temperatures in the US. Summers in Atlanta and Chicago are remarkably similar as it is.


Plants would just keep chugging at temps 10 °C hotter than they're evolved for?

> it's the hot winds that get you

The difference between sun and shade is pretty big too.


For anyone that hasn't had heat sickness, it's not a one-and-done ordeal. You become more sensitive to heat after getting sick from it. It can easily take a month of careful exposure to regain tolerance but working in the same conditions is not the same thing. In addition, heat sickness is awful.

Aka Heat stroke

Heat sickness sucks, but you pull through even if the sustained temperature does not great things.

Heat stroke is a life-threatening medical emergency (e.g. call 911) when they body has gotten so hot that organ systems that are capable of regulating temperature start malfunctioning, and things can go downhill extremely quickly from that point.


cooking the proteins in your blood stream will put you to an end very quickly. (but not quick enough that you dont experience the horror and pain of it)

This feels like a BOFH response but I'm strangely not opposed to it; If you generate something, you should own it ... regardless of what tool you used to generate it.

What’s the long term strategy for this code base? Does the author expect community code contribution or just bug reports or maybe just test contributions?

In 6 months, seeing no adoption, move the repo to maintenance mode. Archive in 12 months.

I'm happy to take contributions if you want to throw some tokens at it. Bug reports would be amazing, since I haven't tested it for real very much (enough to know you can do basics).

I want to get it to the point where we can replace fork/exec'ing to an unknown Git binary or having said binary be an external dependency for GitButler. The networking stuff (push/fetch) is currently an external dep for both GitButler and Jujutsu (and pretty much every other Git-based tool in the world). I'm pretty sure I can get the project good enough at these networking ops (including all the hairy credential stuff) to be able to not need those fork/exec calls.


I won't touch relicensed code even if you payed me.

This is morally, if not legally, wrong.


The agents did all the work but _somebody_ has to test it for real on their own data to find the edge cases overlooked by AI. That's what users are for nowadays.

He will be probably super happy for starring the project.

This. Many people are unaware of just how much authority a captain has; Failing to follow their instructions is (basically) a felony. It's best to just not mess around on an aircraft.


Am a pilot, this is totally wrong.

PIC authority is strictly limited to in-scope items, this very obviously wasn’t in scope unless it was e.g. causing other passengers to behave in an unruly manner.


The Pilot in Command (PIC) holds absolute, ultimate responsibility and final authority for the operation and safety of the aircraft.

Also, in another reply you state, "aircrew has actual legal authority which stems from the fact that they’re aircrew."

Do your pilot credentials include an ATP cert?


I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. PIC has authority over things which relate to the operation of the aircraft, yep.

The PIC does not get to make a passenger blow him, just like he can’t come read your emails if he feels like it.

The PIC might not like a shirt you’re wearing, he can’t make you take it off.

>Do your pilot credentials include an ATP cert?

I’m lacking on the 1500 hours, but other than that, yeah.


> The PIC might not like a shirt you’re wearing, he can’t make you take it off.

That's likely a false statement, even if unintentionally so.

If the t-shirts print is offensive enough then I'm sure a strong enough argument can be made. After all, how are a "bomb" bluetooth name or a "free palestine" wifi ssid much different from a t-shirt with similar contents?

Try wearing a t-shirt with "I'm carrying a bomb and will blow this aircraft up" and see how far it gets you on your next flight. The crew (including the PIC) won't be amused.


Well duh, obviously the PIC can order you to undress if you’re wearing a shirt made out of flaming batteries.

> If the t-shirts print is offensive enough then I'm sure a strong enough argument can be made

I’m pretty sure I’ve explained this: if it is necessary for the safe operation of the flight, then yes.

The PIC does not get to do this because he personally finds your shirt offensive.


You make it sound like it's a black-or-white situation, but it surely is not. What consitutes a danger to the safe operation of a flight is quite broadly up for interpretation. The word "bomb"? A strongly worded hateful message? Lots of things can e argued to compromise safety, by claiming they cause fear in other passengers, by indicating aggressive attitudes of the wearer, but claiming mental instability. I'm not saying that any of this is good. See the BT or wifi examples. But not liking it doesn't change reality.

And that you as a pilot would personally not do that in many situations may be commendable, but doesn't mean others won't nor that they don't have the authority to do so since in the end of the day it would be hard to counter in court.


> You make it sound like it's a black-or-white situation, but it surely is not

I have no idea how you could possibly interpret my comments like that.

> Lots of things can e argued to compromise safety, by claiming they cause fear in other passengers, by indicating aggressive attitudes of the wearer, but claiming mental instability. I'm not saying that any of this is good. See the BT or wifi examples. But not liking it doesn't change reality.

Now you are either just assuming dishonesty or falsely supposing that “can be argued” is the relevant test.

It’s a weird thing to debate in this manner, we’ve got endless legal precedents establishing the relevant standards. Absolutely no need to speculate.

> since in the end of the day it would be hard to counter in court.

No, it wouldn’t. Even legitimate cases of misbehaviour on aircraft rarely lead to prosecution (in the US).


> falsely supposing that “can be argued” is the relevant test.

Hm? It's what counts in court, so it is the only relevant test.

> Even legitimate cases of misbehaviour on aircraft rarely lead to prosecution (in the US).

People have been removed from aircraft by the police for decades. Yes, there is lots of precedence here. Whether in the end that leads to prosecution is secondary. What we are debating here is whether the PIC had the right to have them removed in these cases, and clearly they had.


I assure you, “can be argued” is most certainly not the test used by courts when convicting people of crimes.

> I’m lacking on the 1500 hours, but other than that, yeah.

Hmm. So by, "yeah," you mean, "no."

> The PIC does not get to make a passenger blow him, just like he can’t come read your emails if he feels like it.

Straw man much? A captain of a 121-op is not going to get on the intercom and ask for this ... and expect to keep their job. Given that most people don't know where the line is drawn, there is an expectation that you do need to follow all directions. There are definitely directions that, if not followed, result in committing a felony. The other side of the expectation is that of professionalism on behalf of the crew:

Google "professionalism" > It is a combination of competence, ethical behavior, and respectful communication.

You would do well to consider the effects of this statement before continuing too far past 1500 hours.


> Hmm. So by, "yeah," you mean, "no."

“Frozen ATPL” is the industry term, and I could never have imagined an adult trying to debate the difference when it comes to theoretical education (hint: it’s the same).

> There are definitely directions that, if not followed, result in committing a felony

So? Nobody is disputing that!

It’s certainly not a felony to disobey directions that are not relevant to flight operations or safety.

You’ve utterly failed to communicate what it is that you apparently disagree with me about, instead you’ve just dropped a bunch of unnecessary personal attacks.


> ... you’ve just dropped a bunch of [...] personal attacks

False.


Let’s see:

> Do your pilot credentials include an ATP cert?

An unnecessary insinuation that I’m overstating my credentials.

> Hmm. So by, "yeah," you mean, "no."

A direct allegation that I’m overstating my credentials. Given that only the theory part of ATP training has any relevance to this conversation, what was your purpose here if not to attack my character?

> Google "professionalism"

A rather more direct and entirely baseless accusation of unprofessionalism

> You would do well to consider the effects of this statement before continuing too far past 1500 hours.

An insinuation that I should not be flying planes because ???


thanks for clarifying, this whole thread was sounding a bit ridiculous


It's not about a special status of flight captains. Same can be said of e.g. a store manager acting in-place of the owner. It's a matter of one being on someone's private property, instead of on public property.


Hi, when I was in flight school it wasn’t explicitly stated but certainly heavily implied that as pilots were not allowed to trespass passengers and kick them off the plane mid-flight.

If you have information to the contrary, I would like to be made aware because occasionally I have ended up stuck for hours in the air with unpleasant passengers.


Was just clarifying GP's general point and not stating anything specific to pilots.


You’re badly wrong, aircrew has actual legal authority which stems from the fact that they’re aircrew.

Absolutely nothing to do with private property, especially considering that you can’t trespass people on a plane.


It’s a rich take to discuss illegal and immoral stances while defending a technology that literally steals previous work and uses vast amounts of power just to exist.

Maybe it’s the LLM that we should consider as malware. After all, they have lead people to do many harmful things… and done harmful things on their own as well.


This may all be true, but it doesn't change the fact that the post you replied to is a logically valid rebuttal of the only point that the GP post could be making.

If the quoted license passage has force in the case of AI agent usage, then it also has force in the case where an author deliberately distributes "traditional" malware, simple as that.


If the power is paid for and not stolen, what’s the issue?


Is bribe legal in your country? bribe matches this exact definition - paid to buy a power for doing something. some can argue that it is still stealing, but if I bribe POTUS to create a special Senior VP of United States role for me, you can consider it that I didn't steal it from anyone


For most of the users on HN, the answer to "is bribe legal in your country?" would be a resounding "yup".

US regulates over-the-table political bribes. Corporate political influence is functionally bribe-like, a reciprocal influence economy.


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