Doesn't obfuscating the location of the defroster control run afoul of the NTSB ...

floatingatoll · on Jan 30, 2022

Statute inherits from SAE J902A which costs $89 to read, so we don’t know from the statue alone.

ok123456 · on Jan 30, 2022

https://archive.org/details/gov.law.sae.j902a.1967/mode/2up

Even if they don't explicitly say it has to be an obvious button on the dash, it's a huge liability changing how basic safety equipment is operated.

userbinator · on Jan 30, 2022

That seems like it's more about how well the defroster should work, but says nothing about how it should be activated.

ok123456 · on Jan 30, 2022

Yes. The defroster is basic safety equipment.

If your smoke detector manufacturer changed how the test button worked with an over the air update, and as a result you failed to correctly test it, who would be liable?

Much in the same way, if someone cannot figure out how to use their defroster because a UX engineer decided to make it just so, the Tesla owner just drives off with a mostly iced up windshield because, and the Tesla owner gets into a crash because it's 7:00am on a cold winter Monday and they're running late, does Tesla share some liability for changing how basic safety equipment works?

ncallaway · on Jan 30, 2022

> does Tesla share some liability for changing how basic safety equipment works?

If I was on the jury for that specific fact pattern, then it seems very likely that, yes, they would.

Probably the lion's share of the liability too (though definitely not 100%).