As long as we don't have the resources to devote 10+% of the workforce to teaching, the bar will be wrong. The bar was wrong for me during school and university, and I found teachers who gave high weights to homework or even attendance quizzes to be extremely obnoxious.
On setting up expectations for adulhood, I think this is exactly backwards:
> If you got good grades at school with little actual effort and the constant praise for that formed your identity, you may be in for a bad time in adulthood.
Praising a child for effort without results seems way more likely to set them up for a surprisingly bad time as an adult. My personal experience has been that the "good grades/rewards without effort" thing has continued and seems pretty likely to continue through adulthood as long as you go into some kind of engineering.
Yes, this is a failure some or all school systems suffer from today, as I pointed out in my comment.
> My personal experience has been that the "good grades/rewards without effort" thing has continued and seems pretty likely to continue through adulthood as long as you go into some kind of engineering.
Based on my observation, people who are comfortable doing the work in engineering achieve completely different heights than people who got used to coasting. As applied ML spreads across industries, the difference between the competitiveness of those two categories will only become more pronounced. Furthermore, from my observation those who got used to coasting suffer from issues like perfectionism, narcissism, rejection aversion, and similar.
Sooner or later in adulthood not doing the work stops achieving results deserving praise.
> Praising a child for effort without results seems way more likely to set them up for a surprisingly bad time as an adult.
Not “without results”. Results are critical. However, if results do not comply with whatever requirements, that is not a factor in whether to reward, unless you reward compliance. Rewarding compliance has to happen to some degree, but should not be overdone unless your goal is to foster uncreative cogs.
On setting up expectations for adulhood, I think this is exactly backwards:
> If you got good grades at school with little actual effort and the constant praise for that formed your identity, you may be in for a bad time in adulthood.
Praising a child for effort without results seems way more likely to set them up for a surprisingly bad time as an adult. My personal experience has been that the "good grades/rewards without effort" thing has continued and seems pretty likely to continue through adulthood as long as you go into some kind of engineering.